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34. Re: Op Ed Jan 5, 2013, 21:25 RollinThundr
Draugr wrote on Jan 5, 2013, 20:29:
RollinThundr wrote on Jan 5, 2013, 18:54:
Beamer wrote on Jan 5, 2013, 18:02:
It's stupid because you said "never."

The government can certainly dispose of the waste from my house better than anything else.
Same with highways.

Libertarian absolutes are almost always incorrect, because they're absolutes.

That's what the government is best at and really what they're there for, basic infrastructure. It shouldn't be on the government to provide a life for you. You can do that on your own.

Which is why when they implemented medicare back in the 1965 everyone was enraged because the great job the private sector was doing was obviously going unnoticed.

Here we have a chart that shows us that with medicare, the government has done a better job at controlling costs than private insurers (or by people themselves, as you'd put it.)

I'm not trying to argue medicare here -- I bring up the first point, because the private sector was unwilling to accommodate people, that's why the government stepped in to begin with - If people even had the option it 'by themselves' they would have. Next, I bring up the chart, because you insist the government sucks at everything (which you later revised to 'sucks at everything but infrastructure') When there are plenty of examples of around us that demonstrate empirically that this is not so. I don't think anyone would argue against the fact that governments CAN be inefficient or wasteful, in a myriad of ways, but to pretend it is part of the definition of government is silly. If that were the case then it would apply to infrastructure too.

What I'm saying is the same thing I've always said, expecting government to hold your hand through life isn't going to happen. Being personally responsible, saving, investing whatever, is going to get you much further ahead than expecting government to not spend your social security or medicare or Obamacare on other shit.

You pay taxes for services, roads, infrastructure, police etc. There's also more waste in government than anywhere else, it's why we're 15 trillion in debt. You cannot survive as a nation at that rate, and the US won't as much as I hate to admit that.

We don't teach kids to believe in personal responsibility, and its flat out sad, instead kids now are coddled, handed a trophy just for showing up, and made to believe life is handed to them. That isn't how it works.
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