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56. Re: Op Ed Dec 28, 2012, 09:18 Slashman
Draugr wrote on Dec 28, 2012, 00:01:
You're anecdote boils down to 'I don't think women really are into games because when I went to LAN parties I think one of the women only played because of her boyfriend, and the other two I don't consider good enough to be real gamers'...Strange how bad players at LAN parties who have penises aren't written off in such a fashion. No one questions them about being 'real gamers' they're just shitty players.

The other two(one of whom is a good friend of mine) were basically there because they were friends with the group of us who played games together. Neither of them played much outside of LAN parties. Certainly neither of them invested into gaming systems or even bought games with the rest of us.

I think it's silly to take an anecdote as evidence alone, which you're basically doing. The very fact that your anecdote has 3 women in it kind of proves the point that there are women who play these kind of games. Certainly it is a male dominated hobby, but they aren't just conjured up or only there to play because of a man as you and others seem to imply. I mean there were three examples in your story, but you focused on the woman who was there because of her boyfriend, the only one of the three that reinforced your argument.

Well here's some more anecdotal evidence for you. I've been a computer tech and IT admin for 17 years and have the opportunity to see thousands of systems as they come into our workshop for repairs. I have yet to see a system belonging to a woman come in with games like those that weren't installed by her kids or boyfriend. And more often than not, they want them uninstalled. But maybe all those women are too embarrassed about the fact that they play Dawn of War and Counterstrike, so they blame it on their kids and husbands.

If I told a story about how there were no black people at the LAN parties I attended growing up, and therefore it leads me to believe that black people aren't into video games (or aren't into the same video games as white people,) I think you'd consider that pretty absurd. This is what you're asking us to do with your anecdote.

If you grew up in a predominantly white neighborhood, then even though I'd say your argument was flawed(and you were probably overly sheltered), I'd at least understand why you made it. However, we aren't talking about a specific ethnicity that is concentrated in a specific region, we are talking about a gender that's pretty much everywhere(unless you're a monk living in a male-only monastery). Women actually outnumber men where I live.

There are also probably more female players that play the kind of games you say they don't than you'd think. You play hundreds of faceless people when you play online, some of those people are going to be women. Obviously you'd be none the wiser unless you asked.

Except I do ask quite often. As I said, I see thousands of computers belonging to all sorts of people due to my job. Generally when I find games on them, I ask who installed them because a lot of people get upset over the fact that their kids are using their PCs for games.

I'm not saying that women gamers who play those games dont' exist at all. I'm just saying that I seriously doubt that their numbers are very high. I can totally believe that they flourish in the casual market. I just don't think that the numbers for more traditional hardcore games are there.

Because some people would prefer things to change, and do what they can to affect it instead of just keeping their head down. The consolation prize I guess, is people like yourself who don't want to play halo because of toxic environment can reap the benefits. As you said you don't play these games for the very reasons she is talking about them anyway, so if this is really where the focus is I don't see why you would be concerned.

I don't have an issue with people wanting to change XBox Live(and goodluck trying to correct bad parenting from the internet side). My issue is that all these articles lump all aspects of gaming into the same boat as if XBox Live represents every gaming community for every genre of game ever made. If there is a problem with behavior on XBox Live, then fine. That doesn't mean that the community for Endless Space has the same problem. Or that the community for Tribes Ascend has the same problem.

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