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103. Re: Croteam on Windows 8 Issues Nov 18, 2012, 03:30 Verno
noman wrote on Nov 18, 2012, 03:06:
Discussing problems is all well and good, but the melodramatics need to be toned down. The post from someone at Croteam doesn't serve any purpose, other than adding to Gabe's catastrophe comment. It doesn't even explain what their own stance on DRM is.

No, you have confused your own opinion that "all these stores are just DRM" with their statement. It's about the inability for users to load their own metro applications (games or otherwise) outside of the store and certification processes. You can argue that Steam and say the Xbox 360 have the same procedures but it's a different scenario when the company in charge is also creating the operating system. Croteam even noted that their concern is that this is just a first step. Paranoid? Maybe but the inability to load your own applications is troubling.

I can only speak for myself on that but I would be 100% fine with the store if they would just give me the ability to load my own things if I so choose. To me that's a pretty basic part of a desktop computer. Hell even Steam lets me put my own installed games into its library outside of its store front.

There is a big difference, one is owned by the company who makes the operating system and exercises a great deal of control including deciding whether or not to even allow those aforementioned applications compete on the Windows Store in the future.

Windows8 still has more changes compared to Windows7, than what Win7 had compared to Vista. The changes at kernel level are fairly substantial, and there are bunch of very useful new features (ISO mount, better SSD management, better printer stack, better network discovery, better desktop rendering with WDDM1.2, better alt-tab handling, better battery life on laptops, better AHCI support, native USB3, better file history feature, new storage space feature etc.) and it still takes less overall hardware resources than Win7.

Uh, lots of vagueness there and I've been using Windows 8 through out the previews to retail so I know it pretty well. That's practically a by line of the wikipedia bullet points and many of those are dubious vaguaries. "better alt tab" for example means nothing. The new WDDM is a non-feature. Storage Spaces has very poor performance and is rather half baked overall, I've played with it quite a bit as I was greatly anticipating replacing my ZFS raid at home. Better SSD management? It does exactly what Windows 7 does already in terms of detecting and applying SSD specific tweaks. Many of the kernel level improvements only apply to metro apps for example and the tickless kernel change is overstated by people grasping for positive features.

Now don't get me wrong, Windows 8 does have some minor improvements worth mentioning. The task manager and file copy dialog and buffering improvements are immediately apparent. I don't like the new ribbon for explorer but some people might find it useful. The printer spool now has some failsafes to prevent those annoying timeouts due to shitty drivers. I think however that most of the features are incredibly minor at best. To me the biggest thing Windows 8 has going for it is the price tag. It's cheap which is good because Windows 7 is not. So picking up a $15-40 copy of Windows 8 is pretty attractive given that if you don't like Metro there are third party options to disable it. I just don't think that outside of that there is a compelling upgrade reason.

This comment was edited on Nov 18, 2012, 03:42.
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