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230. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 21:49 Wowbagger_TIP
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 21:37:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 20:43:
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 19:04:
Well, what I am seeing two parties dropping anchor and refusing to budge from their positions, which belies the overwhelming judgment of those here who emphatically insist that it's only the GOP that won't compromise. Neither party is blameless in the stalemate by my estimation. When is the last time Harry Reid talked about compromise?

It's the problem with politics today - the constituency elects hard-nosed idealists and looks at candidates willing to compromise as weak.

Umm... what exactly do you want the Democrats to offer? They've already offered like 3 or 4 to one cuts to revenues. Republicans said no, they'd only accept 0 revenues. That was a long while back. Now they've tightened up again and are talking 2-3 to 1 cuts to revenues. Republicans still say they won't accept revenue increases. So we can't even begin to negotiate what or how much to cut when the Republicans won't budge at all on revenues. They've already pledged to do what Norquist wants, not what's best for the country. They've painted themselves into a corner.

That's what the public - you and me - hear. Through the sensationalist media. I would expect that instead of trading public jabs to score political points on the nightly news these clowns would get behind closed doors and actually do some negotiating. And another thing; cuts are not concessions; in the mess we are in they are an absolute necessity and a foregone conclusion. The Democrats are not yielding anything. The two parties need to sit down and work out what exactly will be cut instead of whoring themselves to the media. In union negotiations at work the two parties will present an unyielding stance upfront but with ardent negotiation sooner or later compromises are always reached. That's what negotiating is, and the Democrats are no more willing to do it than the Republicans are. Obama needs to force these guys to the table and fight it out. Enough of the media showboating.
Like I said, when the Republicans are saying that revenues are off the table, that's obstructing. Democrats haven't put anything off the table. That's not obstructing. There's room to negotiate there. Republicans need to stop saying that anything is completely off the table before any real negotiations can begin. It's just a ridiculous stance, even if it is just for public consumption. None of us knows what's going on behind closed doors, but we can all see that the Republicans are publicly being obstructionist, as they've been all along on a whole variety of issues.

At this point I'm starting to lean towards letting the sequestration happen. I know it's risky, but I'm sick of the bullshit that Boehner's group is pulling. I'm sick of filibuster threats and black and white views of everything, and I'm sick of their delusional view of things. I'm starting to be willing to see the deep cuts happen, just so the Republicans will lose all the Bush tax cuts, and then we can start fresh. Then we can cut taxes for the middle class. Then we can strategically restore funding where it's needed.

Of course I can easily see them refusing even tax cuts for the middle class if they can't get them for the very wealthy too. Just going by their current refusal to give even the slightest bit on taxes.
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