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222. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 12:19 Wowbagger_TIP
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 12:14:
Beamer wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 11:47:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 11:27:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 23:15:
Beamer wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 22:20:
I don't get this social utopia garbage. Obama is less social than Joe McCarthy tax-wise, and has a lot in common with Eisenhower in nearly all areas of policy. Those guys would have punched you in the face for calling them socialists, yet Obama is very, very similar and gets knocked around.

Also, what's more important to protect - the rights of a large organization or the rights of the individual? I'm going individual. Regardless, RollingThunder only cares about HIS religion. Christianity? Protect at all costs! Again, if it was the Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to pay for health care for ANY of their employees, as they do not believe in modern science, he'd probably be against it. But he's one of those people that feels a need to be a victim, and there's a war on Christianity in his eyes.

Just watch Fox for a few hours and you can see that if there's any group in this country that feels they are victims, it's Republicans/Tea Partiers. They see themselves beset on all sides by liberals who are alternately lazy, incompetent boobs or evil masterminds who have fooled everyone, whichever fits their narrative at the time.

Actually I don't care about any religion, I said already I'm not religious, I was merely pointing out the status quo of hypocrisy liberals display on a regular basis. Where its politically correct to jump all over Christianity.

Comparing a Jehovah Witness owning a private company to a religious run university are not one in the same. Nice deflect there Beamer.

Still waiting to hear what you would cut btw. You libs seem to be scarce in that area, except when talking about the military.

At stake was hospitals, not just universities. But I don't really see a distinction - you're looking at the beliefs of the owner, are you not?

I've already said repeatedly that I'm not really a lib, and that I agreed with you on many of your cuts. I've also said that we should care less about cutting and more about spurring the economy, and raising taxes to 1960s levels is the best way to do that.

For the record, and I'm not sure if I mentioned this already, I'm not for the Bush tax cuts, I wasn't then either. Obviously taxes need to go up along with cuts. I just don't think it's fair to expect a very small portion of the population to cover the whole bill.
There's only a very small portion of the population who have seen their incomes rise in the past 15 years, and taxing them will not hurt the economy nearly as much as taxing the middle class. The middle class buying stuff is what drives the economy. Those at the very top will be just fine, as will the rest of us, because all that trickle-down stuff is complete garbage. You tax where the money is, and more and more, it's become highly concentrated in the hands of a very tiny minority of the population. Coincidentally enough, they are taxed at nowhere near the rate that the rest of us are. Depending on where they draw the line, I may see my taxes go up too. Sucks, especially since I don't agree with how that debt was racked up to begin with, but its gotta be paid for.
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