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48. Re: removed Aug 20, 2012, 17:08 Beamer
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 17:01:
Beamer wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:22:
Bet wrote on Aug 20, 2012, 16:17:
Anytime you involve someone else as the mechanism of your death (train/subway driver, cop), you're scarring them for life as they're left with the guilt of ending you. Even unintentional suicide like people trying to go around the bars on roads out of impatience and not realizing their own stupidity messes up train drivers brains, as they're witnesses to something terrible that they couldn't stop.

I agree with the likes of nin, Agent.X7 and Aseven in this case though. A slow wasting disease will fuck up kids that age for life, as surely as witnessing him blow his brains out would. You'll still need counseling either way. As to how much better/worse a quick suicide is, knowing that your dad ended it on his feet, well that's a grisly debate that hopefully no one here has to weigh for themselves.

Man on Fire was a great movie. Now's a great time for a revenge flick like that if you're upset about this. Remember the man for what he was, not how he ended.

Clip of the movie (spoilers), at 3:20 a scene to change the subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRhj6BF2hMA

Apparently they took the non-subtitle white text out of later versions. Talk about gutting an effective creative touch of stylized emphasis of dialogue...

My point is just that there are ways that don't put anyone else in danger, scar them, or otherwise ruin their day. You're absolutely correct about what it must do to the guy operating the train or subway, or the diver that's searching for the body, or the driver that sees the man jump off the bridge.

Suicide is absolutely not black and white, but there are ways to do it that don't have wider implications on a wider audience. I'd still put the Jackie-O suicide as one of the better managed one (which is a privilege she had.) Family crowded around, said goodbye and had their closure, and she slipped off in a painless, clean morphine overdose.

Very true. if you want to end it, do it yourself and don't involve other peoples' lives. A bullet to the noggin'? Go you. Jump in front of a bus? You're a fucker. Sure, the police have to show up either way, but now you've potentially injured dozens on the bus, scarred the driver for life, caused other accidents, etc.

Even a bullet through the noggin'. Someone has to find that. Someone has to clean that up.

We had this kid in elementary school that was pretty much the only bully. He, his mother and his brother went away for a weekend to visit relatives. Came back and the father had committed suicide. A nice, easy, clean way - he closed the garage door with the car running. Except that the family came home, opened the garage door and found him. All 3 of them. That'll screw up any kid. I can't imagine. I guess I can, and I imagine the kids realizing and screaming for him to wake up.

Interestingly, the kid wasn't a bully after that because no one feared him and no one reacted. His family eventually moved and now he's a Sheriff or something in Florida. Sounds right.
 
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