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77. Re: The Old Republic F2P This Fall Aug 1, 2012, 23:09 Veterator
KS wrote on Aug 1, 2012, 13:59:
Veterator wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 20:38:
I like class based games when they are done well. I think WoW did a good job with it's classes, they have some overlap, enough that you can pick the class which will give you the alternate play styles you want in most cases.

And I don't care much for COMPLETE sandbox MMOs because you end up too scattered and unfocused as a player base. There's no easy way to focus people over all into an effort without some kind of incentive/story/quest/progression line to follow. However what disappoints me about modern MMOs is that they have not evolved into allowing players to truly modify the world. Maybe not to the extent of Minecraft where you could empty the world of blocks if you wanted, but that you could sculpt it somewhat. And create new lanes of travel with a concerted effort amongst the player base. Not just a single guild, but double digit percentages of your player base per server working toward it.

But it would be interesting if you could wipe out an enemy species or race, kill a forest, create a lake, divert a river to flood a valley or cut off water supply to an area. You would actually have to protect yourself, your domain, and surrounding domains from people trying to do this stuff to you. Beyond fighting in a dungeon or exploring the world if you want it to mean anything to others. Which I believe is the point of an MMO, your actions should impact others. Positively if you're on their side, negatively if you're against their side.....generally.

Believe it or not, this was the original plan for a little-remembered but much hyped festering turd (they abandoned almost all this in favor of MMORPG cookie-cutter) called Horizons.

The original Horizons plan was ambitious -- you could fly, true 3D travel ala City of Heroes. You could build things, and even tunnel and change landscape.

There were a number of normal classes, but there was also a full dragon class. The dragon class was intended, at the endgame, to be an even fight for any 3 of the other classes.

The dragon plan was you would go find or burrow out your lair cave, then actually start stocking up a real dragon hoard. The goal was endgame PvP of dragon vs. Players with normal chars trying to raid and steal the hoard.

In a precursor of SW Galaxies and Eve, the dragon had to be unlocked, and alao had progress timers to stop them from advancing too quickly -- a year was discussed -- and by then you'd be forming your lair and dumping your phat loots into it, and the bigger it was, the more power you had but the more player adventurers would start drooling.

They preserved the dragon as a class, but it was wimpified. No lairs, and your "hoard" was an item grinder you dumped your loot into to build up a special dragon power number, again hardly giving severe advantage according to the old plan.

Also, to add insult to injury, it was grossly cartoonic (unlike early screenshots) and dragons were these fat little puppydogs.

The tale of the feature collapse (and takeover) was legendary, easy to Google.

Yeah I recall Horizons, I played a little of it in Beta. Was a pretty piss poor game. The roadway travel on it was very irritating, it made sense in a way, but the roads were narrow and the travel was f-in irritating to keep gaining and losing the speed modifier.

I don't remember all the plans you listed there, but I didn't follow it too closely. I thought the dragons part sounded cool on it, and found it to be mediocre. So perhaps I am just mis-remembering some of the pre-game hype that got me interested in the first place.

I just like the idea of MMOs being more than just social chat rooms with a game slapped on. I think a storied out Minecraft type game meant to be driven by large groups of people to really push the story and game should be where the games will pick up a new interest in the MMO market. Without modifying the world (not trivially like Vanguard and houses in pre-fixed places) you're stuck with what the devs make available for content and how many times you can stand to re-run it. Once players can change the landscape and what not, it could be triggers for lots of other things in-game like NPC assaults, PC assaults, and other unforeseen consequences like unearthing dungeons/traps/new enemies.

With something taking a lot of people and a period of time, their decisions could drive the development process versus what the devs think they want.

I am not sure we have the computing capability to do it, but it doesn't seem like anyone is even looking in that direction.

I'd also like to see tornadoes, volcanoes, etc in games as well. And people having to deal with them with the tech/magic and perhaps combining efforts to control/stop/re-direct these things.

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