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36. Re: Refunds for Some Korean Diablo III Owners Jun 21, 2012, 21:22 Eirikrautha
Sepharo wrote on Jun 21, 2012, 20:17:
Eirikrautha wrote on Jun 21, 2012, 17:27:
Flatline wrote on Jun 21, 2012, 14:22:
If we decided that internet was a national resource and that every single person in the country needed to have state of the art internet, we *could* do it in a generation, easily. It'd just take a lot of effort and a lot of money.

Rock on. I'll count on you to pony up the money necessary, then. Oh, wait... you meant someone else's money!

Every dime to create infrastructure comes out of someone's pocket, either through taxes or charges. You can tax some people to pay for someone else's infrastructure (the reason that this country is so messed up: the don't and won't dos are subsidized by the already have dones) or you can raise the prices to pay for the individual services that people receive.

No one is stopping you from having a dedicated fiber-optic line run from the local teleco directly to your mom's basement. They'd be happy to do it... so long as you are willing to pony up the cash. And there are a lot of people who would rather have cheap cable than fast internet speeds (otherwise the telecos would put the fiber in). But you'd rather take someone else's money and then spend it the way you want. How noble of you...

If you live in the United States you've already been benefiting from publicly funded infrastructure your whole life. If your parents, grandparents, and beyond also lived here then you owe your most likely comfortable life to that infrastructure. This isn't something unique to the United States or even modern life... Humans have been banding together and cooperating since always. Our lives are as great as they are because we benefit from helping each other. Go live in the fucking woods but make sure you don't use any roads to get there if you haven't personally paid for the complete construction of them. And next time you shit keep it out of our pipes... Yeah, you have a fucking septic tank big deal
Who's this "our"? Care to compare our relative lifetime contributions to society, through both taxes and the value of the products we have produced? I'll bet I've footed both my share and a bunch of your share of the modern "infrastructure". And the rest of your argument is a non sequitur. Because people have paid for roads in the past (which provide both a civil and military benefit), I am not allowed to object to paying for a luxury like fast internet for everyone? What's next, compulsory caviar and brie (it's for the children, you know)?

Now, since reading comprehension seems to be a dying art, I'll spell this out in small words so everyone here will be sure to follow.

The original poster decried the lack of commitment in the US to increasing the availability of fast data services. He referred to such services as "infrastructure." I simply pointed out the differences in scale between SK and the US, and (sarcastically) that the definition of "infrastructure" today is "anything I'd like to have, but want other people to pay for." Data service is NOT "infrastructure" ... it is a luxury. And it is a luxury that the American people don't seem to want to pay for. If they did, Verizon wouldn't have stopped converting old copper to FIOS. There's no interest among large groups of Americans to create a high-speed network for everyone with their disposable income. So, what is the other funding option? Force people to pay for something they don't want (but you do) through the government's forcible confiscation of wages, under the guise of "infrastructure." Well, sorry, but that doesn't fly...
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