Dev wrote on Feb 13, 2012, 16:42:

Beamer wrote on Feb 13, 2012, 16:08:
One guy hates combat in Skyrim and the next guy loves it.

Fortunately with skyrim being highly moddable, someone can change combat to be more like they like it.

Beamer wrote on Feb 13, 2012, 16:08:
Already took off? Where? How? What games can you point to that have come from any of the models you're discussing? How many Kickstarted games have been released? What? None?

Quadrupling in size in a year seems like taking off to me. And lots of kickstarted games have been released.

Beamer wrote on Feb 13, 2012, 16:41:
that kickstarter funding doesn't have a meaningful impact on gaming in any way.

I bet many people have said the same thing about indie games in general, and steam in general. And yet, we've seen a resurgence in indie games in recent years, in no small part due to steam.