zuul where do you live? Here in Ontario Canada there are plenty of x800 xt PE actually that's all there is the 800pro are in back order and have been for months. A month ago the 800xt PE had a 2 week back order but that ended quick. I might have been lucky but I got my x800 xt 2 weeks ago no wait, maybe cause ATI is a 3 hour drive from here?! Anyways both cards are excellent the geforce6800 ultra is faster in doom3 and opengl games I imagine and the rest is pretty much even 50 or 10 fps either way. I picked the x800 xt PE just because it was $650/700 canadian and the 6800ultra was $775 canadian just enough to saving to buy another gig of ram. Competition did not drive the prices down but we sure got 2 kick @ss prodicts to chose from! The 9700pro that i sold a month ago wa my best upgrade ever but these 2 cards have even more potential depending on how fast the graphics technology moves for the next 3 years.