'you spend hours discussing libertarian and ignore the torture of civilians!!!!!!!!'
Bullshit...what a bunch of self-riteous tripe. There's many times more outrage in the west at those pictures than there was in the Middle East when American's were dragged through Somali or Iraqi streets or when their own governments committed atrocities like that on their own people. The fact is people seem to think it's ok when an American is tortured because they, for some reason had it coming. BTW...IANAA (I am not an American)