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Well, I certainly would not have joked about those chads yesterday if I imagined that we'd have a repeat of the last U.S. Presidential election, where the uncertainly over the outcome lingers like a hangover the morning after. Sick of the phrase "Provisional Ballots in Ohio" yet? I'm guessing soon enough we all will be. I guess in this clearly overly litigious society, it's only appropriate that our elections get decided in the courts. To my thinking, the oddest Election Day story comes from New Mexico, where they got tired of counting votes, and went home for the night. Thanks for playing guys. Oh yeah, and a note to all politicians... no matter how exuberant the moment... you really should avoid dancing when Kool & the Gang comes over the P.A. singing Celebrate (seek video of our reelected N.Y. Senator Schumer for a good example).

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85. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:01 Halsy
 
I'm glad you're so excited about the dissolution of the Union. I'm sure you think that it'd be best for everyone involved, right?

When the one side that doesn't represent the other and consistently works to oppress and destroy those people, then yes. I think it is best for everyone involved. If people like you had it your way slavery and every other social injustice would still be alive and well today.

Ah... I got it. It doesn't matter if both sides are utterly fucked up -- as long as you pick one. Realizing that both sides are fucked up and thus refusing to whole heartedly support one -- warts and all -- is definitely the wrong thing to do.

It's a question of degrees. The lesser of two evils is still the lesser evil. The choice may not be a desirable one but it beats the alternative.

Yes, because as history has shown, it's the moderates that destroy society. Not the extremists.

No, history has shown that indifference is the biggest problem in any society. Not the extremists. My reaction to a group of extremists is extreme, not my core values and beliefs. Sometimes you need to fight fire with fire because that's all they understand.

Gotcha. Keep living in your own reality Halsy.

At least I'm living in reality, Zathrus. You should really try taking a big whiff of it and joining us here sometime.

I may not like the outcome of the race (and yes, I voted Kerry), but the fact that he didn't (and as of this time he has now conceeded the race) doesn't mean that I think it's the end of the world or even of the country.

Do you think all the bad vibes have magically just gone away? What changed between today and yesterday that you makes you think things aren't going to get worse as time progresses? The fact is things are going to get worse. Count on it.

I am very deeply concerned about what will happen in the next four years, particularly given some of the other ballot initiatives that passed in various states, but there's not a whole hell of a lot that can be done about it at this moment.

Really? So what do you intend to do about it besides be concerned? When do you think people should start, Zathrus? A week from now? A year? Hell, why not just abolish elections entirely and avoid all these silly issues?

And no, I don't think civil disorder is the right answer.

The founding fathers would disagree. Once again, your indifference shows that America would still be a British colony if you had your way.

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident:

That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.


Revolution is evolution and freedom.

We live in a Democratic Republic. "My way or the highway" is the wrong answer.

Tell that to the GOP.

And I find it particularly hypocritical of you to do exactly that while at the same time accusing the other side of doing it (which they certainly do do at times; doesn't make it right to do it yourself).

Wrong. My value system is based on freedom of choice - not oppression of freedom. If 2 gay guys want to get married, power to them. I'm not going to try and stop them whether I agree with it or not. I don't like abortion and guns but I respect peoples rights to have them. In short, I believe in the plurality of society. They DON'T. They're doing everything they can in their power to systematically crush all opposition as well as civil and human rights. That to me constitutes no less than an act of war. If was indifference that allowed people like Hitler to come to power. It's not because people say yes to evil, it's because they don't say no.


"Don't you see the rest of the country looks upon New York like we're left-wing, communist, Jewish, homosexual pornographers? I think of us that way sometimes and I live here."
- Woody Allen
 
"And then, suddenly and without warning, it turned into a real-life case of hungry, hungry hippos."
- Stephen Colbert
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