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28. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Nov 2, 2013, 22:10 1badmf
 
NewMaxx wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 21:24:
Agent.X7 wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 18:46:
And don't get me started on the CIA. Those guys have been royal cockups from the start. Let's put Castro in power! Whoops. Let's train Bin Laden and his Mujaheddin! Whoops. They are basically responsible for almost every terrorist act that has haunted us since WWII.

I suggest people read The Rise and Fall of the British Empire. You'll quickly realize that the US scrambled to assist and eventually take unwanted control over many of the declining colonial states that arose from European imperialism, particularly from our friends in the UK. The two examples you mention are symptomatic of pretty much how the UK (and the French, for that matter) handled colonialism up until the 1960's. The problems that exist today are largely because of those actions, they'd be far worse if the US hadn't stepped in out of necessity due to the Cold War (which Europe essentially begged for).

Seriously, read some history, people. I know it is en vogue to bash the imperial US, despite the fact that the British Empire held a quarter of the world's land and population less than a century ago. They also supported oil interests in Nigeria and royally screwed up Egypt, Iraq, etc., etc. France screwed up Vietnam, etc. The world was a mess before the US even got involved and would be much worse had it been left to anarchy (considering cannibalism was rampant in Africa until colonization, for example).

Is Snowden a traitor? He certainly committed treason - do the ends justify the means? It would be impossible for him to come back to the United States. However, turning again to history, emigres were common throughout the political age and are nothing new. There may come a time when he could return, and even afar he can be influential.

well put sir. the truth is far more complex than biased soapboxers would have us think. the US is not an innocent actor by any means, but i think any objective observer must conclude that the world would be a much darker place had we not exerted our influence and remained isolationist instead.

i know snowden broke the law and is technically a traitor, but i don't see how anyone can conclude he's a coward. he stood up for the country he believes in, kissed his homeland and most of his loved ones good bye probably never to see them again. it's hard for me to comprehend the courage it took to knowingly ruin his life like that. in the final analysis i'm certain history will conclude that he was a patriot in the finest tradition of our founding fathers who voiced his dissent against a government that got way out of control for the best of intentions.
 
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