[Oct 17, 2013, 08:00 am ET] - Share - Viewing Comments
Montreal Community Website
has a community Q&A about the upcoming Thief
reboot, answering questions from eager fans of the franchise (thanks
). The topic this time around is the removal of the planned XP
system from the game, a decision the developers explain while dropping a hint
they may have something positive to say about QTEs in the future:
was it removed?
Nic: At first, we wanted to outline the progression of the player with XP,
but it was reducing our motivation to steal. The main goal of a thief should be
to gain loot. Garrett is already the Master Thief, so we saw no need to have XP
as a core mechanic.
Daniel: We wanted to put emphasis on stealing things, and put the rewards
on the stealing aspect. We want to allow the player to decide the "how to" – we
shouldn't judge how the player wants to achieve their goal, only reward them for
The reaction from fans to the "Headshot XP" pop-up in the E3 gameplay demo
was fairly negative. Did that have an impact on the decision to remove it from
Daniel: Fans might be surprised how often the devs go to the forum to see
how things are perceived in the "real world". This feedback is extremely
valuable to us, so as you can imagine, the consistent reaction to the XP system
was something that indicated we needed to revisit some design decisions.
Nic: It is more a design decision to add to our economy system and entice
the player to steal more. But yes, the E3 reaction was right, rewarding killing
like that was wrong for a Master Thief.
How will Garrett progress through the game without XP?
Nic: The goal is to use gold to buy elements to progress, to encourage the
player to steal. The player will be able to choose how to spend money, for more
stealthy or more aggressive tools.
Daniel: It was always possible to play without using XP, like it is still
possible to play through the game without killing anyone or even spending any
coin (though it isn't going to be easy!)
Thanks guys, this was very instructive. And wait until you hear what they have
to say about QTEs...
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||Re: Thief Dropping XP System
||Oct 18, 2013, 04:54
|Except reaching places you're not supposed to reach isn't really part of the PC mentality. The only reason it happened more often in older games is because they didn't have nearly as much testing as new games do. When Ion Storm made Deus Ex, they never intended for players to use sticky mines to climb up walls. When Dynamix made Tribes, they never intended for players to exploit a bug in the physics system and move at incredibly high speeds. Emergent gameplay, by its very nature, exists in spite of design. The Thief games, while having large, open-ended levels, were never really known for emergent gameplay. You were still mostly limited to going where the developers allowed you to go and doing what they allowed you to do.
The lack of manual jumping does not mean that Thief will be a completely linear and guided experience. The demo they showed at E3 had multiple ways to get into the castle and plenty of opportunities for verticality. Splinter Cell: Blacklist was very much the same way. No jumping but the levels were open-ended and there were enough contextual triggers available that you never felt limited.
I think people are just way too eager to dismiss the game based on very limited knowledge of it. Wait until the game actually comes out. Or better yet, wait until you actually play it. Remember DX:HR? Remember how people were shitting all over it when they heard about the one-button takedowns, the third-person camera cuts, the cover system, the object highlighting, the merging of the skills and augmentation systems, the XP awards for specific actions, etc? In spite of those things, DX:HR ended up being a pretty damn good game. I've heard fewer specific criticisms about Thief yet people act like it's going to be the worst game ever made.