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308. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 23:40 Wowbagger_TIP
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:33:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:06:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 08:55:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 03:24:
Wall of liberal drivel,,,

Yeah it's totally the republicans who commit voter fraud and intimidation.

Also of note is the IRS audits against Tea Party groups because they're TP groups. Should I continue? Or are you going to continue to only say the republicans are bad?

Wow, really? That's all you've got? Let's look at these.

Link 1: someone voted for Obama six times. Like I said, there were 24 cases of voter fraud. Obviously she's one of them. 24 out of 197,000,000. Lightening strikes and shark bites.
Link 2: Anecdotal. Where's the follow up? What's the other side of the story, could it have been simple miscommunication?
Link 3: Acorn? Really? Jim O'Keefe get's the Acorn equivalent of a McD's employee to say something strange on camera resulting in the entire defunding of the operation, an operation which worked to improve the lives of the poor. Pure entrapment.
Link 4: Another anecdote, but I agree: if they're intimidating, or electioneering within 100' of the polling place, they should be arrested, per the law.
IRS Scandal: That was bad, and you won't see me defending it. Although the IRS delayed approval for several liberal groups as well as many Tea Party groups, it was mostly Tea Party, and that discrimination never should have happened.

Okay, so you're pulling out isolated incidents carried out by individuals, even in the IRS case. Many of these are investigated, under investigation, and/or prosecuted (Acorn unjustly so, IMO). The worst among them is the IRS scandal.

However, all of these are a drop in the bucket compared to what I'm talking about: A massively funded multipronged nationwide coordinated attack on democracy by the Republicans:
- Attempting to weaken the president by delegitimizing him using a plethora of groups pushing various misinformation and lies (Birthers, etc.).
- Attempting to disenfranchise entire classes of voters, potentially millions of people by limiting early voting and pushing for voter ID laws to attempt to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist.
- Attempting to overturn the constitutional law of the land by shutting down the government instead of using the legislative process.
- Blocking and filibustering democratic legislation and appointees at a rate unprecedented in history

Why do you keep defending the indefensible? Notice how I agree the IRS scandal was wrong. You've done none of that.

At the least we agree on the IRS scandal. And while I really don't buy into the birther garbage, and that's exactly what it is garbage, I find it extremely hard to deny that Obama is trying to fundamentally change the US and and not for the better, the obvious socialist tones he often makes in his speeches quite honestly are frightening to someone who values the Constitution and wishes this country to remain free, and continue to have rights, like the 2nd amendment. His desire to gun grab when you need look no further than his very own home district of Shitcago to see that oppressive gun laws do nothing to reduce crime. Instead they do the opposite, empower criminals because they know they're the ones with the guns.

Can you at least acknowledge the points at hand before you go off on another tangent? What exactly do you believe Obama has done to create this "overgrown executive branch" that wasn't already being done by Bush?
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