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Croteam on Windows 8 Issues

A post on the Steam Users' Forums from a couple of weeks ago offers a distressing overview of Windows 8 from Croteam (thanks Gamer's Hell), as Alen Ladavac says: "I would very much like to clear this one thing. I think that this is very important as there are 'under the hood' motions related to Windows 8 that are hidden and not well understood even by many developers (yet), and certainly not by most gamers." Saying "Gabe Newel did not overreact," he goes on to describe how "under the hood, the new tiled UI is a means for Microsoft to lock Windows applications into a walled garden, much like the one on iOS." Here's more:

There is this "small detail" that Microsoft is not advertising anywhere, but you can find it dug deep in the developer documentation:

One cannot release a tiled UI application by any other means, but only through Windows Store!

I cannot even begin to stress out just how horrible this idea is! There is no side-loading, except for corporate use inside one company, and that works only on the enterprise edition of Windows 8. Do we all understand what that means? You cannot download an application from the Internet and run it on your computer. You have to get it from Microsoft's store. Even if it is a free app!

If it was just about "being downloaded from Windows store", it would not be a problem. It would be nice to have a common hub to download things from. But to get an app onto that store, it has to be certified by MS. This means bringing the "console experience" onto your desktop. Each app that you will get through the Windows Store will have to adhere to certain requirements imposed by MS. So far, we know that they've banned mature games, like Skyrim, CoD, and Serious Sam.[*] They have forbidden modding. They could very well forbid Open Source if they want. But even if these terms were not there, this is still a certification system. With all of its downsides, including uncertain release dates, rare and late patches, and everything turning out to be more expensive and sucking more.

While, theoretically, desktop applications are exempt from these requirements, it looks more and more like just a foot-in-the-door technique. A large number of developers have expressed their concern with possibility that, probably in Windows 9 or something like that, the ability to get even desktop apps in any other way than through Windows app store may very well be removed. When that happens it will be too late.

I would not invest into supporting the tiled UI apps (which MS now conveniently calls "Windows Store apps" - does that ring a bell?), until MS removes the requirement that they have to be shipped through Windows Store on desktop at least - and thereby remove the requirement of certifying them with MS. Certification is a broken concept and should be abolished.

Now, while in current state Windows 8 do look like they support plain desktop apps seamlessly, the removal of start menu and use of "charms" even on the desktop looks like a pretty blunt attempt to force users to "get used" to the tiled UI. It would be fine by me if it wasn't for the aforementioned certification issue.

So, it is a vicious circle. And not an accidental one. This one was carefully designed to be that way. I say: no thank you, I'll skip on that one.

* (Our footnote, not Alen's): He seems to have missed this story).

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141. Re: Croteam on Windows 8 Issues Nov 18, 2012, 11:35 DukeFNukem
 
Fibrocyte wrote on Nov 18, 2012, 11:17:

"It boots faster." You keep saying that. Is that really the only advantage you're aware of? Hell, even in this cess pool of comments there are a few more called out.

All I'm saying in tone down your tantrum until you've educated yourself a little or you're going to end up looking as bad as ASeven.

Right...and the reason I keep saying it is because you hear that same mantra repeated over and over and over from the pro Windows 8 crowd. Clearly, it must be the #1 compelling reason for most people upgrading to Windows 8 based upon how many times I see it being written in various places on the internet. I don't hear people saying, "Dude, you gotta upgrade to Windows 8 cuz it's got native ISO support".

Most of the so-called advantages you speak of are simply bullet points that would be good for posting on the back of the box. Most of them are laughable. Faster boot times is one of those laughable bullet points for upgrading. Native ISO support is another laughable so-called advantage. It takes all of 3 minutes to download and install software that can do this.

Windows-to-go anybody? Yeah, can already be done with Windows 7 with your choice of any number of software packages.

Native USB 3.0 support? We can group this one with native ISO support.

When you make the suggestion that I "educate myself" would I be correct in translating your suggestion into downloading and installing Windows 8 and using it for a trail period until I become accustomed to what it has to offer? Sort of that, "try it, you'll like it" mentality?

And just to be clear, I would have gladly accepted all the little improvements Windows 8 had to offer, had Microsoft not given us desktop users the middle finger. So, now Im gonna give it right back .!.. Thats for you Microsoft! Ballmer is gonna have to pry this keyboard and mouse out of my cold dead hands.

I am fully aware of what Windows 8 is. No thanks. Or as one other person said it so well, "Me no buy."

“He that can have patience can have what he will.” -- Benjamin Franklin

This comment was edited on Nov 18, 2012, 12:22.
 
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