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37. Re: Morning Tech Bits Nov 14, 2012, 09:55 Beamer
Verno wrote on Nov 14, 2012, 09:36:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Nov 14, 2012, 01:26:
Yeah, that's all I was talking about - they appear in the Windows Store but they're not actually distributed through it. I'm not sure if you can actually buy x86-64 apps through the Windows Store though and even if you can there would be the 30% cut that Microsoft takes, so it's a disaster every way you look at it.

You can't buy them through the store. Microsoft is treating desktop apps as second class citizens and will do everything they can emphasize Metro apps and marginalize desktop apps precisely because they don't get 30%. Those are likely the real reasons. Either way, desktop apps and developers are not being treated equally and this is just the beginning of this new platform.

People wrongly take it for granted that the openness of the Win32/desktop will always be there. They also take functionality for granted, I doubt many people who seem to speak about Windows 8 in comical vagueness or simply to be contrary have really read the restrictions placed on WinRT apps. Some things we use now are simply not possible in WinRT without significant compromise and background processes are practically undoable. People say its alarmist to consider the long term prospects but it's just smart and prudent, there is plenty of precedent to consider. It's not even "long term" really, Microsoft wants to adopt more rapid releases instead of these multi-year gaps.

I hope Microsoft remembers their platform was built on compatibility, customization and choice.

See, this is a giant Verno double standard.
In some threads he complains that Microsoft is trying to force everyone to use the store and end side loading altogether.
In this thread he's complaining that they don't put desktop apps in the store.

Verno, there are a few reasons for this, none of which are "second class citizen":
1) No one wants desktop apps in the store. Vendors don't particularly want it. Consumers don't particularly want it. There are other, better ways to get these apps
2) Microsoft really doesn't want these in the store, not because they don't want to sell them, or don't want you using them, but because they don't want people to start panicking and making stupid "Microsoft is ending side-loading!" posts, the kind that were all over this board

Microsoft does not, does not, absolutely does not want to end side loading. They do not want to end desktop apps. What they want is to provide a walled-in ecosystem, where everything is certified and in one place, for all the consumers out there that prefer this. This is a tablet concept, and the store is based around tablet ideas.
They also want to keep the desktop piece going strong, as it's their bread and butter. To do this they are keeping these out of the store, as they do not belong there, and continuing to allow side loading.

They are literally giving you your cake and letting you eat it to. You have the best of both worlds. Still you complain. I get that almost everyone has genuine gripes about Microsoft, and Windows 8 in particular, but Verno, you tend to hop into every Microsoft thread and go "lol, Windows Phone!" and leave, or you make a complaint and when someone moots your complaint you find another, the equivalent of "this thing is too bland and boring" "but Verno, that's why the make it in multiple colors," "multiple colors are garish and ruining the brand!"
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