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Out of the Blue

I saw a reference today to Indiana Jones today that made me think of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, a recollection not as painful for me as it should be, as I have not seen the much-reviled latest installment in the series. This is because, as I've mentioned in the past, MrsBlue and I end up seeing a vast majority of movies after they come to cable/satellite, especially when the reviews are as mixed (to put it kindly) as they were for Indy 4. Which brings me to my point: Is Spielberg so embarrassed by this film he's keeping it off cable? It was released well over four years ago, and its absence from the small screen is starting to seem like the it's getting The Star Wars Holiday Special treatment. By all accounts this is deserved, but I remain masochistically curious to see it.

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47. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2012, 05:20 pnag
 
Bhruic wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 11:08:

No, what makes it stupid is that it is stupid.

Says you, but go on...

Bhruic wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 11:08:
It's completely indefensible by anyone with even a basic level of reasoning. You know what killed more Native Americans than all the bullets the colonials brought with them? Infection. Infection from the same planet they were on, with the same atmosphere, the same lifeforms, the same biosphere. And yet because they'd never been exposed and hadn't developed any resistance, they died in droves.

And has been pointed out, no technology. Alters the 'social context' of it. You've also just implied that the Native Americans didn't have basic reasoning... Bit racist, that... Incidentally, the 1918 flu pandemic killed more people than the World War I. And? So what? What does it have to do with Prometheus? Apart from the notion of infection? As I mentioned before, it was a single scientist (who was asked not to but did it anyway), and as I pointed out, scientists have taken seemingly (and we now know, actually) crazy risks before (Roentgen, Curie, Jenner to name but three.)

Bhruic wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 11:08:
Now you've got a bunch of people on an alien planet with potential alien lifeforms, bacteria, etc, and someone who claims to be a scientist thinks it's perfectly fine to take off his helmet simply because the atmosphere mixture is acceptable? "Oh, people tried to talk him out of it!" Sure, and when he idiotically did it anyway, wtf did the rest of the people do? Apparently, since he didn't keel over immediately, that means it's "safe", so all the other fucking idiots took their helmets off too.

Ancient Romans - used lead pipes for drinking water, 20th century Arctic explorers pulling a piano across the ice for entertainment; need I go on? These are real life examples. Did they turn out to be dumb? Yes. You can argue that the scientists in Prometheus should have known better, but with all that amazing technology - I know plenty of people who would have taken the same risk. Honestly, not sure I would have, but there are people who would. And lest we forget, again, the contagion was not airborne.


Bhruic wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 11:08:
So apparently you either got your degrees from a cracker-jacks box, or are in complete denial over how stupid those actions were.

Or I can observe that just because I would not do something, doesn't mean other people wouldn't. I'm not a Nazi or in favour of the death penalty, but it doesn't automatically imply that they were (or indeed, I am) stupid. That would be tremendously closed minded and arrogant, no?

Bhruic wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 11:08:
And that's only the frosting on the stupid cake that the movie was. It doesn't even go into stuff like "I spent my whole life studying these things, but since we didn't get immediate answers in the first 6hrs since we've got here, we are total failures".

One scientist, from the whole team, felt like this. Why? As is stated, he wanted them to be alive - to talk to them. He even says, "Is this just another tomb?!?" I'd be pretty pissed myself if I'd dreamt of meeting them my whole life, and not just a bunch of corpses.

Bhruic wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 11:08:
Or "We have the technology to monitor the suits of the scientists in the structure, which apparently works fine despite the storm on the surface, but when they go missing, we can't simply look at their cameras to find out where they are and what's happened to them".

I didn't like that either, personally. Said so in my first post.

Bhruic wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 11:08:
And I could keep going, but listing all of the rampant stupidity of the movie would take up the rest of the day, and I just don't have that kind of time to waste.

Or maybe you're being unfair to the movie? Hating on it just a bit too much? Like I said elsewhere, give it some time, and try it again? You might just like it. When I first saw Blade Runner over 20 years ago, I hated it. Now it's in my top five, and don't know what I was thinking. (Incidentally, Prometheus isn't, but you get the idea...)

nin wrote on Oct 14, 2012, 10:59:

Well, when you're totally dismissive of people that don't agree with you, it kind of becomes a one sided conversation...

Just because you "shoot them down" (in your mind anyway) doesn't mean your view point is any more agreeable/correct.


Nin, I wouldn't be dismissive if people (not necessarily you!) didn't just say, "That was dumb! Prometheus sucked!" If you disagree, at least tell us why?

This comment was edited on Oct 15, 2012, 05:32.
 
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