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124. Re: Gatherings & Competitions Aug 17, 2012, 12:13 D-Rock
Please, enough with the bashing. All I'm doing is sharing my personal experiences and observations and the opinions I've formed as a result. I'm allowed to speak about those things as much as you are and your condescending tone is completely unnecessary. I don't respond to you that way and I expect the same level of respect.

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 00:17:
By your own admission you don't get it, so why don't you start listening? It's to create awareness. It's to correct misinformation.

Me asking what their agenda is not an admission of 'not getting it' -- it's rhetorical. Perhaps I should have asked 'what do they think they are going to accomplish'? In my opinion, not much, and that's what I've been trying to say all along. I'm sorry if I haven't been clear.

I'm well aware of the fact that they are trying to create awareness. I don't condemn them for that and as I've already said, I celebrate and encourage that. I just think they are going to be disappointed in the effectiveness of the politcal and social aspect of their agenda. I don't expect you to agree with me on that -- that's certainly not the popular opinion.

We (society) do get it -- we've known about homosexuals and their desired rights for decades now and have had the opportunity to form our opinions on it. Do you really think the backwoods, redneck citizens are going to suddenly start accepting homosexuality? OK, maybe that's a bit of a stretch, but please, tell me -- what demographic will have their opinions changed for the better as a result of this and other homosexual events?

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 00:17:
Married men enjoying the occasional bit on the side with a fellow man for example, "don't tell my wife" is their battle cry.

While you really don't need to inform me of how homosexuals and bisexuals live their lives (like I said -- I'm well aware), this one stands out. It's very disrespectful to one's wife to sneak around and cheat. It completely goes against the vows that the man and the woman agreed to. It's morally reprehensible and I despise any social movement that encourages it.

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 00:17:
You have not been clear at all about your experience with "discrimination". In fact you are becoming extremely vague in your posts.

See post #117. How much detail do you want? My point is that I have experienced the emotional trauma that results from discrimination. Logically I can't say that I truly understand what a homosexual goes through, but I do know that any kind of emotional turmoil is a horrible, horrible thing. You don't need to hold a convention to build a support system -- I think others should do it on an individual level and get better results. Am I expecting too much?

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 00:17:
When you create an event that promotes equal rights that is not complaining.

I never said they were complaining. I said a key part of their agenda is ineffective.

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 00:17:
But on the other side you have a social responsibility to give back by becoming more and contributing to the world to make it a better place.

I'm not sure what your point is with this statement and I don't see how it ties in with what immediately followed it. No one in this country (world?) should be required to be socially responsible -- it should be a choice. Otherwise, it's just forcing a belief on someone. While unfortunate, if someone wants to sit on their fat ass all day long and collect wellfare and watch TV then they should have the right to do that. No, I don't repect that lifestyle but who are we to take that choice away from them if it doesn't infringe upon someone else's rights?

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 00:17:
You can't go through life with your head down, side stepping issues. Pretending everything is fine. We have come a long way, we have a long way to go as well.

Sure you can, and everyone should have the right to do so if they choose. I don't like that mentality and I'm pretty sure you don't either. Just ignore those types of people and get on with your life.

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 00:17:
Gamers really don't get out much and lets face it. Gamers aren't exactly the most willing people to go out and socialize at the best of times.

I was really surprised when you said this, given your apparent open-mindedness. This is an ancient stereotype. These days gamers have successful careers, a successful social life, and even get laid on a regular basis. For almost two decades I've had my own social network of gamer friends and we all party, have successful jobs, get laid, get married, participate in sports, etc. I find it hard to believe that this isn't the case for the majority of gamers these days -- read through the Blue's News posts and you'll see many references to activities outside of gaming (unless Blue's News users are a bunch of liars).

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 00:17:
When you do live in a society where being gay is frowned upon by many religious groups and ignorant people. Having a safe haven to go where everyone in the room is perfectly OKAY with you being who you are is a huge relief and you will NEVER understand that relief until you understand the level of discrimination we are talking about here.

Don't assume to know what I understand. Obviously I don't understand what it's like to be homosexual and the negative social aspects that come with it, but if you generalize the concept stated above I do understand. Are you going to condemn me because I haven't had that exact life experience, or can you be open-minded and accept the fact that I have had enough negative emotional experiences to relate to it. I'm relating to it in the best possible way I can, using what life has handed to me. Do you want me to just quit trying?

Creating a safe haven in which homosexuals can play games without fear of discrimination is the best part of GaymerCon. The political statement that they are trying to make is a waste of time in my opinion.

netnerd85 wrote on Aug 17, 2012, 00:17:
So please, open your ears and perhaps your heart and listen.

Perhaps I'm overreacting, but I see condescention in that statement. Enough already.

I have just as many gay friends as straight friends. I work side by side with them. They respect me, and I respect them. We hang out after work. We go out on the town, grab a bite to eat, attend sporting events, grab a beer together, etc. Imagine that -- a network of friends that's a mix of homo and hetero, getting along together and respecting each other. Heck -- I enjoy hanging out with some of my homosexual friends more than I enjoy hanging out with some of my hetero friends.

Why does it work? Because no one sits around and whines about how life is so hard and unfair. We choose to enjoy life by making good decisions and moving ahead no matter what the past has brought us. Carpe Diem, Baby!

As a side note, I noticed in my original post that I typed majority instead of minority in one sentence. I've corrected that mistake -- hopefully that didn't influence your opinion but if it did...reread.
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