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A post on the Bohemia Interactive Forums asks for help with a problem causing a watery image degradation in Take On Helicopters, Bohemia's new flight simulator. As it turns out this can be the result of using a pirated edition of the game, as Bohemia explains this comes from their "unique anti-piracy countermeasures," also noting a demo for the game is in the works. Here's word:

Bohemia Interactive deploys various antipiracy countermeasures in its titles and Take On Helicopters is no exception, some users have reported morphed/watery image degradation (see http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=126991 ). The original version of Take On Helicopters does not suffer from this degradation of visual quality. Piracy is a big problem for Bohemia Interactive, as an independent PC developer, and we're trying to focus our support as much as possible towards users of legitimate copies. Counterfeit copies of our games may degrade and, moral aspects aside, we certainly recommend only playing the original version. We have a free public demo version of Take On Helicopters in the development pipeline for those that prefer to test it before buying.

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Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans

Nov 11, 2011, 03:43

Muscular Beaver

Dades wrote on Nov 11, 2011, 00:20:
Spaced wrote on Nov 11, 2011, 00:03:
I don't have to prove myself or my expertise to you and I won't be baited into it either. You've chosen what you want to do with the facts and have decided to go down a path of speculation and assumption. It would be pointless to try and continue proving something to you that has already been proven. You're riding on speculation and arguing against problems that don't exist and haven't happened. I'm happy to sit back and watch you argue with yourself over unrelated issues and speculation? lol

Indeed, how dare I bait you to support your opinion with something other than vague assurances and a forum post. I don't need to speculate on anything because I'm not the one dealing in absolute certainty. When you make absolute assertions it's not to everyone else to prove you wrong. I'm more than happy to entertain many possibilities but there is so much precedent for DRM systems affecting legitimate owners that it cannot be ignored just to help you save face. They can't add a version increment and remove all of that risk. Obviously to you it's acceptable but to the rest of us who don't hate other human beings for downloading software it's not, particularly when many of us are customers ourselves.

Oh come on, shut it already.
Yes, Bohemia was always kind enough to say it CAN be a pirated copy if something like that occurs. Because well, who wants to make fun of his own potential customers (as unlikely as they may be)?
The facts speak a different language. There was never a post where someone said that hes a legit customer, unless he bought a game that has already been opened and the the key used (happens quite often in Germany for example, but has nothing to do with their DRM not working correctly), and that was cleared by Bohemia very fast.
Do you have 10 years of experience in their community and with their games? No? Then dont try to argue about such things that are complete bullshit to people who know their stuff. Its like you trolling into a Porsche forum saying that you know for a fact that there are some cases where Porsche customers found out that theres a 50 HP VW engine in their car.

And no, I am no DRM advocate, I hate DRM, but this DRM works and has no detrimental effects on legit customers. Its much better than having to insert a disc all the time, having some bloatware like Steam that drives other publishers to make similar, even worse stuff like that, or always on Internet DRM, or account forced bullshit.

As said before OFP sold 2 million times and even the posts where pirates claimed this game was buggy, were only a few. No difference in all the other Bohemia games since then.

Oh yeah and also, Bohemia always removed disc checks from their games via patches a few weeks after release. That trying to remove the cd check by pirates was the main cause for "Fading" to happen. Only idiot pirates who still used the no-cd cracks after that, had fading, because they used the outdated no-cd crack. If they would have just used a cd key generator they wouldnt have had fading, unless they went online with it.
So in any case, very stupid pirates.

This comment was edited on Nov 11, 2011, 03:49.




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Comment [quote="Muscular Beaver"Nov 11, 2011, 03:43][quote="Dades"Nov 11, 2011, 00:20][quote="Spaced"Nov 11, 2011, 00:03] I don't have to prove myself or my expertise to you and I won't be baited into it either. You've chosen what you want to do with the facts and have decided to go down a path of speculation and assumption. It would be pointless to try and continue proving something to you that has already been proven. You're riding on speculation and arguing against problems that don't exist and haven't happened. I'm happy to sit back and watch you argue with yourself over unrelated issues and speculation? lol [/quote] Indeed, how dare I bait you to support your opinion with something other than vague assurances and a forum post. I don't need to speculate on anything because I'm not the one dealing in absolute certainty. When you make absolute assertions it's not to everyone else to prove you wrong. I'm more than happy to entertain many possibilities but there is so much precedent for DRM systems affecting legitimate owners that it cannot be ignored just to help you save face. They can't add a version increment and remove all of that risk. Obviously to you it's acceptable but to the rest of us who don't hate other human beings for downloading software it's not, particularly when many of us are customers ourselves. [/quote] Oh come on, shut it already. Yes, Bohemia was always kind enough to say it CAN be a pirated copy if something like that occurs. Because well, who wants to make fun of his own potential customers (as unlikely as they may be)? The facts speak a different language. There was never a post where someone said that hes a legit customer, unless he bought a game that has already been opened and the the key used (happens quite often in Germany for example, but has nothing to do with their DRM not working correctly), and that was cleared by Bohemia very fast. Do you have 10 years of experience in their community and with their games? No? Then dont try to argue about such things that are complete bullshit to people who know their stuff. Its like you trolling into a Porsche forum saying that you know for a fact that there are some cases where Porsche customers found out that theres a 50 HP VW engine in their car. And no, I am no DRM advocate, I hate DRM, but this DRM works and has no detrimental effects on legit customers. Its much better than having to insert a disc all the time, having some bloatware like Steam that drives other publishers to make similar, even worse stuff like that, or always on Internet DRM, or account forced bullshit. As said before OFP sold 2 million times and even the posts where pirates claimed this game was buggy, were only a few. No difference in all the other Bohemia games since then. Oh yeah and also, Bohemia always removed disc checks from their games via patches a few weeks after release. That trying to remove the cd check by pirates was the main cause for "Fading" to happen. Only idiot pirates who still used the no-cd cracks after that, had fading, because they used the outdated no-cd crack. If they would have just used a cd key generator they wouldnt have had fading, unless they went online with it. So in any case, very stupid pirates. [/quote]

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