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30. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 20:54 toon
Prez wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 20:38:
To me, browsing with adblocker is the same as pirating software.

Wow. Just - WOW! That's a pretty huge (not to mention completely irrational) stretch.

You seem to think that because you entered into this business, somehow you are OWED a revenue stream. That just isn't the way it works. Businesses and markets are forever changing without regard for those in said businesses. Should the mass production of the automobile for the average consumer have been halted because it was destined to put the horse buggy makers out of business? When your business model becomes obsolete or unsustainable, it's time to adapt. Good businesses know this.

Like it or not, you entered a business in which the primary means to make money was to get away with essentially annoying your users. Some ads are less annoying than others, true. But for many users being bombarded with commercialism even while on the net is an annoyance to begin with. In case you didn't notice, advertising has taken over virtually every facet of our daily lives. Some of us would rather avoid it where at all possible.

Blue has in the past made mention that his only form of revenue to keep Bluesnews running is via ads. He is such a class act and gracious host that all he has to do is remind us of this once in a while and I'm willing to bet that enough of us will keep his ads unblocked just for him to stay in business. Contrast that with the self-righteous arrogance you displayed by insulting the very people who might make up your revenue stream. You then go on to draw these asinine parallels between using adblockers and software piracy, defacing restaurants, or robbing banks, still yelling at the people who might otherwise accommodate a reasonable request by you to whitelist your site.

And you have the nerve to accuse PHJF of "having issues". You tell him that "just because it's on the internet doesn't mean everything is by your damn rules". In the height of irony you are no doubt blind to because you are too busy frothing at the mouth about all of the "thieves" who would rather have a quiet, unobtrusive browsing session, you are oblivious to the fact that you are expecting the internet to be by YOUR rules. "I want to make money so this is how it is." Really?

I don't say this lightly - no one knows better than I how hard times are economically, but with the attitude you have, one of self-absorbed entitlement and hostility towards your user base, I'd rather see your site shut down and you looking for a new line of work.
Look, it's very simple. If a webmaster puts a site up, it is his or hers. If the rules for using the site is being over 18, or not blocking the ads, that is the webmasters perogative. No one is forcing you to use the site. If you don't like the ads, then don't visit the site, it's all very simple. As with pirating; if you don't like the price-tag, it doesn't mean you are somehow entitled to the game for free anyway. So, in case you really didn't understand it, "YOUR RULES" applied to the website I run. Of course I can't speak for other websites, but forgive me if I don't believe you when say they somehow differ in opinion, in the end.

I really don't see how the pirating software analogy is so different. You aren't stealing a physical object (in fact, the software-developer at least doesn't have to pay for any bandwidth..). If you don't like the price-tag (or drm), you can pirate it. Actually, the DRM-example is good. If you don't like the DRM in a game, it doesn't automatically give you the right to pirate the game. It gives you the right you had all along; don't buy the game! And tell the developers. To me, these things seem like a petty-excuse to somehow get a pirate-this freecard.

And I do have a premium-option, as many others have. If the ads were so obtrusive (which I promise you they are not), you can pay a small amount and be free of them (in addition to a lot of other things). The people that do this are a small small fraction compared to all the users. This is how it is almost everywhere with sites that use this model.

It sounds like you think that just because I run some site I am somehow entitled to money. That's not it at all. But I *do* feel users should not be using an ad-blocker. But in the end, it's like I said earlier in the thread: a user with ad-block can be better than not having that user. If everybody on blues used adblock, would it still be here after all these years? I doubt it. You think google would be what it is without adwords and adsense? Not even close. Even they, the pinacle of our internet-times, rely 90%+ on advertisement for revenue!

And like I also said earlier in the thread, this is *of course* not how I treat the topic on my site. It would be commercial suicide, and anyway it wouldn't create a good community.

Here, however, it fits right in. :p

This comment was edited on Mar 7, 2010, 21:08.
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