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9. Re: Sunday Safety Dance Nov 4, 2013, 08:21 Quboid
jdreyer wrote on Nov 3, 2013, 19:45:
Cutter wrote on Nov 3, 2013, 17:14:
No, he's not. He only exposed what many of us already took to be fact anyway. Fact is no one cares. Where's the outrage? The protests in the streets? The recall initiatives of politicians who support crap like this, the Patriot Act, et al. Where?

There is none. Social apathy, laziness and greed is now complete in the US. The elites realize they can do whatever the hell they want now and no one will lift a finger to stop them. In fact, they're only expanding their powers and grabbing more and it's all happening publicly now. And still no one bats an eye. If America ever was a democracy it sure as shit isn't now.

At least we're having conversations now that we were never having before.

Wasn't there a protest in DC a week or two ago? I didn't hear much about it, which either means it wasn't very big or the media decided to ignore it. Probably both.

There's debates in the UK parliament about this and the ISC (Intelligence and Security Committee, who are supposed to keep GCHQ/MIx/etc in line) had to dance around the fact that they clearly had no idea that most of this was going on.

If Snowden's actions still needed justified - and considering him anything other than a hero at this point must be wilful ignorance - then there it is, the UK government's intelligence oversight committee needed Snowden/Greenwald/Guardian to tell them what's happening.

There's a difference between "what we all know" and what was reported years ago and what Snowden has done. A few reports here and there can be swept under the carpet and suspicions could be dismissed as tin-foil hat nonsense. Now, it's impossible to ignore (even the papers which are slamming Snowden are lapping up the news) and any politician dismissing such concerns as tin-foil hat conspiracies just makes them look like they're part of the problem.

I'm not saying much will be done. A few extra checks will be put in place and a couple of programs will be shut down and then things will blow over and they'll go back to doing what they've been doing. The biggest change might be that the next Edward Snowden gets killed before s/he can go public.
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