Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 14:01:

DrEvil wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 13:39:

Matshock wrote on Aug 7, 2012, 12:57:
I don't want national health care. I don't even care if you understand why- the evidence against such a thing being beneficial is so overwhelming that only a blind ideologue could ignore it.

Really? Care to point at some of that evidence from a neutral third-party? Why is the USA the only major, developed economy country that doesn't have it? Some of the greatest minds in history (such as Stephen Hawking) are only alive today because of national healthcare programs in their respective countries.

Healthcare should be provided for every member of a society; a "rising tide lifts all boats" as they say. Any economist will tell you that until you take care of the basic needs of a people in a society, they won't have disposable income to inject into the economy.

I'm not wasting time- you're a true believer so let me just tell you how I feel personally because I think that will have more impact.

If the .gov provides my health care then I know they must also control me to moderate their costs: what I eat, what I drive, if I can have children and how many, if I drink, if I smoke (that includes your beloved weeds kids), if I'm armed, if I exercise, how old I'm allowed to be, if I 'm allowed to survive cancer, etc., etc. etc. And all the same applies to all my family that I am responsible for.

No thank you. And don't bother telling me it won't happen, it already is happening.