RollinThundr wrote on Jun 5, 2012, 09:33:

Beamer wrote on Jun 5, 2012, 08:32:

RollinThundr wrote on Jun 4, 2012, 20:33:

Beamer wrote on Jun 4, 2012, 18:37:

Agent.X7 wrote on Jun 4, 2012, 18:31:

Beamer wrote on Jun 4, 2012, 18:24:

RollinThundr wrote on Jun 4, 2012, 17:52:
Oh god a Ron Paulian... that's almost worse.

It's the definition of selfish, and considering our country is being destroyed by selfishiness, it's absolutely the worst.

What's weird is how many selfish people want to give everything they have to those born wealthier than themselves, though... Poor people shouldn't have a dime of their money, but the rich should be able to take huge chunks of their income, if only because they already have a lot of it...

Sure, it's being destroyed by selfishness. Selfish corporations who take government handouts and influence the day to day operations of our government on a ridiculous level. And selfish people who think I should give what I earn to them because they are somehow more in need of it than I am.

BTW, Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. They give 2 shits about people. They are in it for money and power. They just have different slogans. They're like Pepsi and Coke. Catchy jingle, sugary taste. At the end of the day they leave you fat with empty calories and holding a huge dentist bill for someone else.

Well, they care about people - themselves. They do what it takes to get reelected. Corporations and rich people play a larger role.
And yes, some people are more in need of your money than you are. You shouldn't think of it that way, though - think of it as you paying a little to help the whole. A healthier whole will lead you to be better off than a weaker whole, and it's worthwhile to kick a little bit back in order to reach that goal. A healthy economy has less disparity between the richest, the poorest and the median. The more that gets stretched out the weaker the economy, and eventually there's a snap.
We've been moving in such a weird direction based upon Republican tax policy. The distance between the poorest and the median isn't moving much, but the distance between the wealthiest and the median has moved exponentially. That's a sign of a weak middle class and spending power being extremely disproportionate.

Too much spending power in the hands of too few people and you get a snap. Remember, it isn't that the wealthiest are making more money, it's that they're making more share, meaning more money at the expense of everyone else. Still baffles me that anyone supports this. Eventually things collapse due to it.

Honestly, I've said it before, I don't have issue with raising taxes, but there comes a point where the people that actively rely on welfare, and refuse to better themselves or take any responsibility for their lives and instead want to just live off the government tit for the rest of their lives, popping out babies every couple years for a bigger check, should be held accountable. Along with the people who can work but are lazy and game the broken welfare system we have.

This whole entitlement from the womb mentality the US and really the world has these days is ridiculous. There's no longer such a thing as personal responsibility or work ethic, just gimme gimme gimme, I deserve it.

The bigger issue however is spending. The pie isn't finite, if you work hard and put the effort in anyone can be successful, some people due to their upbringing will obviously have a harder time at doing so, but success is attainable by anyone willing to put the time and effort in to make a life for themselves.

I'd be far more worried with how much we keep spending at the government level, than anything else, when you have a president spend 5 trillion dollars in 3 and a half years, and sure some of that is inherited war spending, and spending in general from the previous administration, and have zero to show for it along the lines of jobs created, or the economy recovering because once again rather than let the free market correct itself, the government had to step in and bail out companies with tax payer money, and as usual when the government touches anything, they fuck it up. You know there's a spending problem.

Government has gotten too big, too bloated, and so far beyond We The People at this point, if we don't start seriously making some changes soon, we won't have any chance of sustainability.

Fun fact: no one wants to be on welfare. No one. Not a single person. No one wakes up in the morning and says "thank god I'm on welfare! Now I can continue to remain in this tiny shithole watching daytime TV and cash-for-gold ads all day!"

Who ends up welfare? People that are born in poverty, whose parents were born into poverty. People who were never told that being educated was important, and didn't realize it until it was far too late to do something. People who have no opportunities. People who, in decades past, may have been able to open a corner store or a restaurant to make something of themselves and jump classes but instead would be competing with a McDonald's and White Castle and Kroger and therefore have no small business opportunities.

Welfare doesn't fix any of that, but it's completely wrong to characterize them as being on welfare due to entitlement.

You forgot people who make bad life choices, teenagers getting preggiers etc. You're doing it here in this post. Oh woe is them, life dealt them a bad hand, they have no choice but to be on welfare. That's bullshit Beamer. Anyone can rise above what life has handed them and put the effort in to get ahead.