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Left 4 Dead Delay

Valve Interview Part 2 on Shacknews continues this conversation with Valve's Doug Lombardi on a variety of topics. Along the way Doug mentions their interest in branching out into things like MMOGs and family-friendly games, Steamworks, and Left 4 Dead. Doug admits to another delay for the multiplayer zombie game, which was expected in the summer (story), saying it is now planned for PC and Xbox 360 in November. Doug says he thinks there will be a playable demo (though this may be after the game's release) and that they are kicking around the idea of one of those free Steam weekend deals. He also explains the philosophy that leads to so many of their games suffering such delays:

So the game is pretty much playable all the way through right now. And as we've done with most of our games, we get to a point where, it's playable all the way through, there are some [minor] issues that we need to work on, and we try to add more time to the schedule to have as many people as possible play the game, to make sure that it's approachable to players of all skills. We want to make sure that all the game that we've built gets played, not just be like, "Okay, it's complete, let's ship it."

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39. Re: ... May 25, 2008, 23:10 xXBatmanXx

 

I got it for 29.99 some time ago @ gogamer....months ago.

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38. Re: No subject May 24, 2008, 14:38 sponge

 

Quake 3 is a smart game. I play it every day!

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37. Re: No subject May 24, 2008, 01:01 Beamer

 

The Battlefield games were pretty brainless.
So was STALKER.


Both suck, too. So what is this guy going on about?
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36. Re: No subject May 23, 2008, 22:27 Jerykk

 

    For those folks such as yourself, that scrutinize and over analyze every aspect of every single game while placing high expectations that are impossible to satisfy, thus diminishing their enjoyment of said entertainment, will simply never be happy with what a game actually does offer.
I never said L4D was going to suck. I just said that I have concerns for the reasons I mentioned. They seem perfectly valid to me.

As for that Eidos pack, there are quite a few classics in there. However, I already bought all of them so the pack wouldn't be such a great deal for me. For someone who hasn't played them, it would probably cheaper just to buy them individually given how old they are.


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35. Re: ... May 23, 2008, 20:55 Dagok

 

Bats, this is what I was holding out for... http://steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=app&AppId=7940&cc=CA

Was hoping for $30, but I might pick it up this weekend anyways.

The entire Steam Eidos collection is $100, almost tempting for all the Hitman, Thief, Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Commandos games along with everything else.

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34. Re: Hate most games? May 23, 2008, 20:41 Dagok

 

    Thats not a list of "smart" games, its a list of games YOU like
The irony is that while calling me a "brainless cunt" for not liking his type of games (because he totally knows what games I play), of his list I've played all except Sins. I played the first Total War a little, but none after, just prefer a different style of RTS.

Having played all those...AND...the games that he would probably consider worthy of the title "brainless cunt", I guess that would make me "smart"er.

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33. Re: Hate most games? May 23, 2008, 20:00 Kosumo

 

Thats not a list of "smart" games, its a list of games YOU like, therefore defaulting to "smart" games because your "smart" so "smart" in fact that you missed the witty joke by Akuinnen (This sounds like it's going to suck.) and called him an asshole.

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32. Re: Hate most games? May 23, 2008, 19:32 Dagok

 

    brainless cunts like yourself can "get your head around it".
Lol, so articulate.

We are talking about GAMES you jack ass. There has always been and always will be a variety of games to satisfy all those interested. From simple puzzle games to complex sim games. But the snobbish attitude that you and Jerykk share prevents you both from enjoying a variety of them yourself, or accepting that other types of games can be enjoyed by other people whether it be on PC or consoles. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "dumbing down" of anything.

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31. Hate most games? May 23, 2008, 19:14 Surf

 

Not really. I believe I am pro piracy and hate seeing PC Games going to Consoles first and dumbing the content so that brainless cunts like yourself can "get your head around it".

I like games, I just hate games being dumbed down to reach a broader market.

There are some "smart" games out there.

Tribes 1 and 2
Total War Series
Sins of a Solar Empire
Company of Heroes
Battlefield series
Stalker

Plenty more. So i am not sure where you are getting your "You hate games" statement from. Its misguided at best.

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30. Re: Dagok May 23, 2008, 18:54 Dagok

 

    Just keep your aim low bro, as usual.
Pot...meet Kettle.

You are the last person that should be criticizing others posts.

In fact, my comment to Jerykk applies to you too. You are highly critical about everything, and you both make me wonder why you play games in the first place. Although both of your post history suggests you don't actually play much since you both hate most games.

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29. Re: No subject May 23, 2008, 18:52 Dagok

 

    I just wonder if the whole '4' instead of 'for' or 'four' is a bit late 1990/early 2000.
Left "4" Dead is in perfect context to the story of the game.
4 survivors in a zombie infested city...has nothing to do with replacing the "for" just to make the name look cool.

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28. Dagok May 23, 2008, 18:51 Surf

 

Just keep your aim low bro, as usual.

Dagok "Mr. Status Quo!"

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27. Re: No subject May 23, 2008, 18:45 Kosumo

 

I just wonder if the whole '4' instead of 'for' or 'four' is a bit late 1990/early 2000.

Otherwise I have no reason to think that this game would not be fun to play (weather for 6 hours like a power gaming whore or 40+ hours over a few lans with friends replaying it) It may not be the second coming of God but it is just ment to be a game.

As for diminishing Jerykk enjoyment of games, I'd say he gets his kicks from the bashing of games not the enjoyment of playing them for what they are.

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26. Re: No subject May 23, 2008, 18:32 Dagok

 

I guess what I should have said is...

For a normal person "longevity" is a concern of every game.

For those folks such as yourself, that scrutinize and over analyze every aspect of every single game while placing high expectations that are impossible to satisfy, thus diminishing their enjoyment of said entertainment, will simply never be happy with what a game actually does offer.

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25. Re: No subject May 23, 2008, 17:24 Jerykk

 

    That's a concern of EVERY game.
Not really. I don't replay single-player games so I'm not overly concerned with longevity in those. Multiplayer, on the hand, needs to last for years. L4D isn't a traditional multiplayer game and it isn't quite as open-ended either, which is where the concern stems from. The objective of each level is to get from point A to point B and there are only so many ways you can do that, even with random zombie placement and multiple routes.

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24. Re: This delay not so May 23, 2008, 17:14 nin

 

    Oh, and this November release has already been known for weeks now, it's not really new (to anyone who keeps up with the game anyway)
The last I heard was Sept or Oct, so November isn't surprising.

Plus, it's Valve who couldn't keep a release date if you held a gun to their heads.




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23. This delay not so "new" May 23, 2008, 17:05 Sir Graves

 

    Every game is different as there are multiple routes for each map (to my understanding) and the AI Director ensures that you won't face the same scripted events at the same locations.
Right. In fact, in L4D it's ALL done procedurally on-the-fly, so there are NO scripted events at all. So, different every time you play it! Much coolage.

Oh, and this November release has already been known for weeks now, it's not really new (to anyone who keeps up with the game anyway). When I saw that new "delay" headline I got worried and thought, oh no, here we go again--more delays??! I mean, November's bad enough at this point, but if there was yet another delay, I think I'd jump off a building.

I'll add that I think they're really missing a golden opportunity here not releasing this around Halloween--which they'll be soooo close to.

And to anyone poo-pooing or "meh"-ing the game in this thread, whether YOU happen know it or not, a co-op ZOMBIE shooter game(!) has been like, the missing Holy Grail for lots and lots of gamers out there for many years now. Strange as it seems, this really is a game concept that no one's ever (aside from buggy homespun mods) taken the time to actually do and do right--which I've never understood. So it really is quite a new thing they're doing here, and there are tons of zombie movie fans around the globe who are absolutely starving for it, and have been for years!

You'll see. It's gonna be big.

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22. Re: ... May 23, 2008, 16:39 xXBatmanXx

 

    "Day Of Defeat Steamworks Update In Beta"
Thanks for the link D. That is great news, might actually get me back into DoD. once CoD4 came along, I can of abandoned it. I was actually playing more DoD 1.3 than Source. Crazy. Still huge amounts of communities and support for the older version.

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21. Re: ... May 23, 2008, 16:36 Dagok

 

What were you saying about them abandoning DoDs?

"Day Of Defeat Steamworks Update In Beta"

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20. No subject May 23, 2008, 16:20 Nameless

 

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Whatever.

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